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Poster: leftwinger57 Date: Dec 18, 2011 7:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: shoreline as a venue

Hi guys,I left the west coast befor Bill Graham past on and therefore never went to the shoreline ampitheater.As it was told to me it was a place Bill always wanted because he built it himself unlike all the other venues he either owned or rented.I believe the only true ampitheaters I've been to have been the Greek and PAC center in Jersey way before it was even made bigger.Sound at both was generally good to great.

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Dec 19, 2011 7:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: shoreline as a venue

I liked the venue a lot. Other than the smell from the trash heap when the wind blew it was great. If you look down from the sky on the venue you can can see that it was purposely designed to recreate the famous GD skull logo.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Dec 20, 2011 11:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: shoreline as a venue

Shoreline SUCKED I hated it. Unfortunately I moved back to CA and barely missed all the great venues like the Greek,Frost and Kaiser. I did get Cal Expo at least which was great. The good news is the band was playing really good imo 89-91,mopre good news is they never went more than a few Months without playing locally, and the Oakland Colliseum might not be a great venue but they could make the sound work and i could walk there from my home in Alameda if I had to which I did a couple of times. Not so much from Shoreline where twice my ride effed me over and I was stranded so had to pay an expensive cab ride home. Other than that, horribly steep lawn, took the entire setbreak if you had to take a piss to get there and back. Horrible venue

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Poster: utopian Date: Dec 18, 2011 9:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: shoreline as a venue

The first dead show at shoreline was 87, I believe. Bill graham passed away in 91. Not sure what exactly you were asking from your post but I will describe what I experienced.

Shoreline was built in mountain view, which is south of san fran, near to Palo alto and silicon valley. The parking lots were asphalt but landscaped with many trees as dividers between most rows. It had THE most relaxed feel, as far as the staff which seemed like all heads. Very professional, mellow, yet shi shi ambiance of Cali upscale hi-vibe-ness. A very certain air of planned commercialism as I entered for the first time, everything felt orchestrated as I was ushered through the vending/food/beer gardens. On to the amphitheater which was huge, almost 20k, reserved seating down low and the lawn which was all general admission. I remember one show seeing huge Gap clothing store ads on either side of the stage, bob weir was in one of the ads, which struck me as rather odd. The sound was not as loud as I would have liked.

Did this answer any of your questions?

Peace

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Poster: patkelleyPA Date: Dec 19, 2011 11:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: shoreline as a venue

Weir was a GAP model?! Too much!

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Poster: leftwinger57 Date: Dec 19, 2011 6:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: shoreline as a venue

this was exactly what I was asking for.Your exprerience at this venue.I forgot to mention probably the most famous of them all at Red Rocks another one I haven't been to.I'm an old dude now so my preference for a concert will always be a theater like the Beacon,Count Basie or for west coasters the Warfield or Orphium,at orchestra center about 10-15 rows back.I've done the festivals, stadiums ,arenas,parks ,boats,flatbeds and clubs but generally I'll take the theater over any venue these days.

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Poster: ColdRain108 Date: Dec 19, 2011 10:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: shoreline as a venue

Generic Concert facility = Shoreline.

Looks just like the White River Amp up here in Washington. Completely generic compared to the great ones like the Berkely Greek Theater, The Frost, Red Rocks, Alpine Valley. I didn't see many shows at Shoreline, but the ones I did were not very stimulating...at least the venue did not add any energy, unlike SPAC or Merriweather Post and other Eastern outdoor theaters where the theater itself was beastly and somewhat ungainly at least the energy was huge.

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Poster: sakanaband Date: Dec 19, 2011 10:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: shoreline as a venue

It was always a tremendous disappointment for me to see the Dead at Shoreline. The 'pitch' of Shoreline is very steep Seats located behind the soundboard immediately started to feel too far away from the band. On the lawn, of course, this was even worse. It felt as if the band was playing "down there somewhere" below you and my heart and soul longed to be closer and in the mouth of the beast. Instead, my experiences there were peculiar in that it was more like observing the band play rather than partaking in the experience. The lawn is vast and again the steepness of the hill made it seem as if I would lose my balance. Dozens if not hundreds of times, I saw stoned and drunk patrons falling down the hill and causing an unfortunate domino effect. This was particularly bad since there were lots of kids at Shoreline shows because the vibe was indeed really chill and family friendly. The sound was NEVER loud enough anywhere in the venue. Lots of apartments and condos were located very near and there was a severe sound volume restriction. Lastly, there was an almost unbelievable dearth of tickets in the "sweet spot". Arguably, there were only about 1,000 very good to excellent seats under the pavilion and these were largely unavailable to the "little people" that were not Dead family or BGP-related. I was often second in line at a ticket outlet on days tix went on sale and that put you in the 200 section or way off to the left or right of the stage. Naturally, due to this situation, scads of people would "stub" their friends into better real estate and it created unfriendly vibes and crowded conditions. In a phrase, Shoreline sucked. It was only met with glee by people from out of state. Those folks living in northern Cali back in the day would just terribly miss the The Frost Amphitheater and The Greek across the Bay. Oh, and the place reeked from ancient garbage heaps. This fact made it possible for Graham to build it: the real estate was worthless. There was a HUGE consolation to those darker days though. Cal Expo in Sacramento was just freakin' great. If you knew, then you knew if you know what I mean. A wonderful G.A. box of a venue with a flat lawn for the floor and bleacher seats on three seats. The highest seat in the venue was STILL below the top of the speaker stacks. And the American River and its National Recreation area lands were right next to it since it was the state fairgrounds. When camping was allowed there it was nearly paradise. Like a dream we dreamed one afternoon long ago.

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Poster: utopian Date: Dec 19, 2011 12:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: EXPO as a venue

yea the sound was as good as it got in the later years
evidence- one of the best audiences on the site
http://www.archive.org/details/gd90-06-09.bk4011.nickspicks.23532.sbeok.flac

I have a rather horrible memory of walking up on a beautiful girl getting raped in the parking lot after a show at expo. I guess I broke it up cause he ran away and the girl was in shock and wanted to forget about it. I live in california and love it but there is a lot of crime and despots. very sad.

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Poster: CharlieMiller Date: Dec 20, 2011 1:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: EXPO as a venue

Cal Expo was an awesome venue.

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Poster: high flow Date: Dec 19, 2011 11:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: shoreline as a venue

Agreed with Sakanaband and BD. I never liked Shoreline(I saw MANY shows there) and would only go there if I had reserved seats. Paying for a lawn ticket was a waste of cash.

Cal Expo was the best outdoor GD venue in N. Cal. after they abandoned the smaller places.

The best tonic for a Shoreline GD show was a Warfield JGB show. Worlds apart.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Dec 19, 2011 12:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: shoreline as a venue

"The best tonic for a Shoreline GD show was a Warfield JGB show. Worlds apart."

WITHOUT A DOUBT! The main artist room downstairs offstage is designated the Jerry room.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Dec 20, 2011 11:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: shoreline as a venue

never saw Jerry there. Saw him at the civi which I didnt care for and the KAiser which was a big venue for him but hard to believe the Dead got away with playing there up through 87. I saw Tuna at the Warfield a bunch of times

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Dec 20, 2011 11:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: shoreline as a venue

Saw lots and lots of Kaiser GD shows - always a good time and always plenty of space for dancing on the floor and in the hallways. Loved the vibe there.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Dec 20, 2011 11:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: shoreline as a venue

We moved in 74 so those years dont count but I lived there 84-86 and 88/89-91. The first time back I barely knew about the Dead and NONE of my friends dug them so I never ventured alone but I wanted to and wish I had. We used to cross over Webster whenever the Dead were playing ( or the Civic in SF )and go shopping if you know what I mean. In those days as I found later the band was fairly crappy but the scene was COOL. Never got ripped off and everyone was cool. No poseur hippies or bandana skullcap tie dye wearing jock/fratboys yet.

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Poster: leftwinger57 Date: Dec 20, 2011 2:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: shoreline as a venue

I liked Kaiser alot.We saw and made the effort to do the New Years' eve shows there and to a show it was never a dissapointment. You should know by now I'll rip them when it's deserved but I never saw a bad show at Kaiser.The only other group/artist I can remember seeing there was Peter Tosh when the Reggae boom was hitting the Bay Area.Ron Wood made an apperence and jammed on a few songs.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Dec 19, 2011 11:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: shoreline as a venue

I always thought Shoreline kind of sucked. For a large,generic, corporate venue, it's better than most, but when you compare the other venues in the surrounding area, it falls way, way short.

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Poster: N Hoey Date: Dec 18, 2011 5:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: shoreline as a venue

Having arrived to the Bay Area in '78, I was lucky to see 6 shows at Winterland. While the building was well worn it had TONS of character. Seeing shows right in SF in a neighborhood of victorians was cool. The Berkeley Greek was truly great too, as was the Frost. Shoreline, not so much. I've never liked Shoreline. It's just another shed type facility with a tent roof instead of a metal one. Built on a dump site, it had little to recommend it compared to other venues. The Greek is a bowl shape which makes for great sight and sound lines for those further back. Shoreline is cone shaped which makes those further back feel REALLY far from the action. Most GD shows here prior to Shoreline were GA, at the Frost, at the Greek, at Kaiser, at Oakland Coliseum, you could go anywhere, not so at Shoreline.